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Poster: bradm Date: Oct 19, 2007 7:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Uploading with missing tracks?

I'm in discussion with a band right now about them joining the Live Music Archive, and the band may want to reserve the right to exclude uploading of certain tracks from certain recordings (e.g., if the band wasn't happy with their performance).

I don't have a problem with that, but what if an excluded track is in the middle of a disc? Do the following tracks have to be renumbered for the upload? I ask because I'll be archiving the whole shows, and if tracks need to be renumbered, the track numbering of my archived copy (which will include the non-uploaded tracks) won't match what I uploaded. But if I don't renumber the tracks, there'll be "holes" in the track numbering. Is that allowed?

As an example, if, from the recording

group2007-10-18d1t01.shn
group2007-10-18d1t02.shn
group2007-10-18d1t03.shn
group2007-10-18d1t04.shn
group2007-10-18d1t05.shn

the group wants d1t03 not uploaded, can I upload just

group2007-10-18d1t01.shn
group2007-10-18d1t02.shn
group2007-10-18d1t04.shn
group2007-10-18d1t05.shn

as is, or do I need to rename/renumber the tracks to

group2007-10-18d1t01.shn
group2007-10-18d1t02.shn
group2007-10-18d1t03.shn
group2007-10-18d1t04.shn

before I upload?

Thanks,
Brad

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Oct 19, 2007 8:38am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploading with missing tracks?

I would find a cooler band who is either more confident or less hung up on having to be perfect all the time. If they played a crappy song, life will go on and any true fans will chalk that performance off as just not that great. Online music is so oversaturated with source material that it won't make or break anyone's musical career. Look at the Dead shows on here, plenty of one that most fans don't like, it's part of the whole picture... I have dealt with picky and cranky musicians before and it isn't fun. JUST JAM, if you're any good, someone will like it, regardless of how many bits in your mp3 or how the tracks are numbered.

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Poster: greenone Date: Oct 19, 2007 8:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploading with missing tracks?

We'd recommend renumbering the tracks; this is actually part of the policy for a few bands. Damien Rice is one of them off the top of my head, and you can see the notes here:

http://www.archive.org/details.php?identifier=DamienRice

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Poster: ZaPenguin Date: Oct 20, 2007 7:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploading with missing tracks?

Wouldn't this cause even more confusion, with people thinking they have the complete version of a show when in fact their version is missing a track?

It seems like skipping a number would at least signify that there was, at some point in time, another song available. Documentary value, if nothing else. A comment in the "notes" section along the lines of "d1t03 was deemed embarrassing to the performer, who wishes to dodge all responsibility for it, and is hence not included in this recording" would clear up enough confusion.

And, NoiseCollector - I agree.

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Poster: greenone Date: Oct 20, 2007 9:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Uploading with missing tracks?

That was my initial hunch, but going by Tyler's notes on Damien Rice's page, it seems the preference is sequentially-numbered tracks with a note in the text file. As long as it's documented, I suppose you can do whatever you want, but the precedent is in the link I posted above.